FISA- Obama and Udall- where is the understanding now?
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I just got back from visiting relatives in Nebraska.  So, what do I find out on the FISA front?  The lying by Democrats is astonishing with regard to HR6304.  I cannot disagree with anything that Glenn Greenwald says on this issue and the lack of understanding with HR 6304 will impact on the Constitution and in particular the Fourth Amendement, how will it impact the understanding of Mr. Bush's view of Article II powers, and how will judicial and legislative branches be affected by the passage of such a  bill.

There is no majority support from polls conducted that show people want an executive branch to have such power to spy on citizens just on the word of the President.

This is why it is craven and dictatorial in nature that Democratic leaders have folded on this crucial issue.

This is the reality as Glenn Greenwald sees it:

What all of this is really about -- the reason why political elites like Nancy Soderberg are so eager to defend it -- is because they really do believe that lawbreaking isn't wrong, that it doesn't deserve punishment, when engaged in by them rather than by commoners. People who defend telecom immunity or who say that it's not a big deal are, by logical necessity, adopting this view: "Our highest political officials and largest corporations shouldn't face consequences when they break our laws as long as they claim it was for our own good." That's the destructive premise that lies at the heart of this deeply corrupt measure, the reason it matters so much. Just like the pardon of Nixon, the protection of Iran-contra criminals, and the commutation of Lewis Libby's sentence, this bill is yet another step in cementing a two-tiered system of justice in America where our highest political officials and connected elite can break our laws with impunity.

Obama has caved on an issue that damages him.  What "change" if he, himself, cannot divorce himself from "advisors" who want to direct him to engage in acts and words that are contrary to what he said just a few short months ago. Again I defer to Glenn Greenwald as he tears up Obama's deceit:

This is the most misleading part of Obama's statement. The "certain surveillance orders [which] will begin to expire later this summer" -- that Obama claims we must maintain -- are warrantless eavesdropping orders that were authorized by the PAA, which Obama voted against last August. As I asked the other day:

Had Obama had his way, there never would have been any PAA in the first place, and therefore, there never would have been any PAA orders possible. Having voted against the PAA last August, how can Obama now claim that he considers it important that the PAA orders not expire? How can he be eager to avoid the expiration of surveillance orders which he opposed authorizing in the first place?

Moreover, the Government already has "the ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States" under the current FISA law. Citing the need for such monitoring in order to justify this new FISA bill is just pure fear-mongering ("you better let us eliminate FISA protections if you want us to keep you safe from the Terrorists"). Obama has always said in the past that "the FISA court works." When did he change his mind and why?

I do so with the firm intention -- once I'm sworn in as president -- to have my Attorney General conduct a comprehensive review of all our surveillance programs, and to make further recommendations on any steps needed to preserve civil liberties and to prevent executive branch abuse in the future.

This expression of Obama's "intention" has so many equivocations and vague claims as to be worthless. In a society that lives under the rule of law, government officials and corporations which break our laws are held accountable by courts of law, not by vague promises from politicians of some future "review" and "recommendation" process grounded in claims that we can trust the Leader to do the right thing, whatever he decides in his sole discretion and infinite wisdom that might be. That is no consolation for blocking courts from adjudicating whether laws were broken here, which is what the bill that Obama supports will do.

This I read, via Kargo X of DailyKos.com, about Mark Udall's attempt to bamboozle with people who are asking him about HR6304 and his stand on retroactive telecom immunity:

This bill is designed to update FISA while putting an end to abusive domestic spying, and I voted for it in order to prevent a future program of warrantless surveillance by the executive branch. The bill is explicit that complying with FISA is the only way for the government to conduct surveillance. At the same time, it updates FISA, which was originally passed in 1978, to give us important capabilities to discover and stop terrorist activities. I fully understand why there is confusion and even anger that the legislation does not do more to require some telecommunications companies to respond to lawsuits for alleged privacy abuses in their actions to implement the Bush Administration's warrantless surveillance after 9-11. But it does require a comprehensive review of that surveillance program by the Inspectors General of the Justice Department, the Directorate of National Intelligence, the National Security Agency, and the Defense Department, including a report to the Intelligence and Judiciary Committees of Congress. This will mean that past abuses by the Bush Administration will not go uninvestigated. Also, the bill does not provide absolute or criminal immunity for these companies, and no government official will receive civil or criminal immunity for past abuses.

So Udall's statement is the same as Obama's.  But we are watching and have been acting, especially with regard to MyBo networking site.

It is time for Senator Salazar and candidate Udall to hear from the people that we are fed up with illegal spying upon ourselves. 

 

 


Reader Comments
  
Come on now
By Steve Jul 8th 2008 at 8:28 pm MDT
Senator Salazar and candidate Udall couldn't find their ass with both hands. Salazar can hardly speak English. He is a drug store cowboy. Udall is the ultimate carpetbagger. His family searches out vulnerble liberal districts, move there, drop a bunch a dough, and run for office.
  


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